The Hammond Family Does NOT Want an Armed Stand Off, and Nobody Has a Right to Force One On Them

The Hammond Family Does NOT Want an Armed Stand Off, and Nobody Has a Right to Force One On Them

We cannot force ourselves or our protection on people who do not want it.   Dwight and Steven Hammond have made it clear, through their attorney, that they just want to turn themselves in and serve out their sentence. And that clear statement of their intent should be the end of the discussion on this.  No patriot group or individual has the right or the authority to force an armed stand off on this family, or around them, against their wishes.  You cannot help someone who does not want your help, and who are not willing and ready to take a hard stand themselves.

Here is a video statement I made on the Hammond situation while at a recent Oath Keepers event in Idaho:

And here is an even more recent audio/video statement on this issue, where I am joined by several Oath Keepers who were at Bundy Ranch, Sugar Pine Mine, and other Oath Keepers operations:

 

WRITTEN STATEMENT ON HAMMOND SITUATION:

I regret having to even make this statement, but I have no choice, since Ammon Bundy has not made it sufficiently clear to the patriot community that the Hammond family has declined physical armed help, and by all indications does NOT want any kind of armed stand off with the Federal government, and they do NOT want anyone to attempt to protect Dwight and Steven Hammond from being taken into Federal custody on Monday, January 4, 2016 when they are scheduled to turn themselves in to serve additional time for their felony convictions (which came after a jury found them guilty).   They intend to voluntarily turn themselves in and serve out the remainder of their sentence, under federal minimum sentencing statutes, after losing in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on that issue.  In fact, they have made it very clear, through a public statement by their lawyer, in a letter to the Sheriff dated December 11, 2015, that:

Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone in his group/organization speaks for the Hammond Family, Dwight Hammond or Steven Hammond.  In addition, I wish to report to you that, as recently ordered by the District Court, District of Oregon, Dwight Hammond and Steven Hammond intend to voluntarily report to the designated federal facility on January 4, 2016, as required.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2660398-Letter-HammondRanchesInc.html

Unfortunately, Ammon Bundy has not made that clear.   And despite Dwight and Steven Hammond’s decision to voluntarily report to Federal custody, Ammon has issued a video titled  “BREAKING ALERT! URGENT CALL TO ACTION! ALL CALL FOR ALL PATRIOTS! MILITIAS! OATH-KEEPERS! FROM AMMON BUNDY RANCH!”  In that video, posted on December 29, Ammon Bundy asks those who went to Bundy Ranch to now go to the town of Burns “to make a stand” and he urges them to “come to Burns and defend this family and defend this county.”   Here is a transcript of the last part of his video:

I’m asking you, and you know who you are, you that came, and you that felt to come, to the Bundy Ranch.  I’m asking you to come to Burns on January 2, to make a stand.  And I feel that this is every bit, and in many ways more important, than the Bundy Ranch.  I feel – I know – that the abuses this family has endured is much greater than even the Bundy family.  And this is something that cannot be ignored.   It has to happen now.   We cannot allow these violations to be so blatant and do nothing and expect that we will not be accountable for it.  We will be accountable if we do not stand, and I’m asking you now, to come to Burns and defend this family and to defend this county, because it is not just the Hammonds that are being affected by this.   They have put this whole county in depression.    in the 80s, this county was a thriving county that the household income was higher than the national average, and the highest in the state of Oregon.  Now, because of the federal control of the resources, now Harney County is in an economic depression.   They are the lowest – they have the lowest income in the county (country) and it is $22,000.00 under the national average – $22,000.00 less than the national average.  And it’s because they have no access – very little access – to their natural resources.    And it is time that we make a stand, and I’m asking you to do that.   And I want to thank you for your time and thank you for listening, and I hope that you can feel the urgency of what I am asking you to do. (emphasis added).

(And here is the video:)

And on his website, Ammon has recently posted:

**Call to Action** We are asking all able body men and women to come to Burns Oregon and come prepared. This is not a false warning!!! We must not be okay with what is happening to the people of Harney County.

He then describes plans for a rally,  march, and protest on Saturday, January 2, that will march though town and end by placing flowers in front of the Hammond family residence in town.   That description sounds like it will be only a protest, and that is the apparent intent of the Three Percenter groups involved, but Ammon’s rhetoric goes way beyond just a protest.  For example, on December 11th, he posted:

Please understand that we must exhaust all prudent measures before taking a physical stand against the horrific actions that the People of Harney County are enduring (including the Hammond’s).  If this Notice is ignored, then one more Notice of Demand will be sent, it will list the many petitions that have been ignored and demand that the Hammond’s rights be restored. If that final Notice is rejected then People across the Union will have justification to assemble and once again restore individual rights. (emphasis added.)

 

So, at the least, Ammon is sending out confusing and contradictory messages of what he is asking people to do, and at the worst, he is planning on going far beyond a mere protest, and intends some form of armed direct action (and all despite the Hammonds making it known that Ammon does not speak for them and they intend to voluntarily report to federal custody.)

At the very least Ammon needs to make it very clear what he is asking people to do, and he needs to make it clear that he is going against the clearly stated intent of the Hammonds.   His rhetoric is all about taking a stand and defending the Hammonds from being taking into custody and then going further and defending the entire county against the Feds, despite serious opposition by the local community against any form of armed confrontation.

BECAUSE THE HAMMOND FAMILY DOES NOT WANT AN ARMED STAND OFF, AND THEY WISH TO TURN THEMSELVES IN, OATH KEEPERS WILL NOT TAKE PART IN ANY ATTEMPT TO CREATE A STAND OFF IN BURNS, OREGON.

Since Dwight and Steven Hammond, through their attorney, have made it clear they intend to turn themselves in and serve out the additional time, Oath Keepers cannot, and will not, try to interfere with that decision (peaceable assembly and protest is, of course, fine, but going beyond that against their wishes is not).  We cannot force ourselves or our protection on people who do not want it.   They have made it clear that they just want to turn themselves in and serve out their sentence. And that clear statement of their intent should be the end of the discussion on this.

Yes, they are apparently being coerced and threatened (told not to communicate with Ammon or face dire consequences), as is done to anyone who runs afoul of the Feds, but if they don’t want their family in the middle of an armed stand off and have decided it is best to just go back to prison, no patriot group or individual has the right or the authority to force an armed stand off on the Hammond family, or around them, against their wishes.  You cannot help someone who does not want your help, and who are not willing and ready to take a hard stand themselves.

In the Kim Davis situation, Oath Keepers offered her our protection against being arrested again for contempt, by order of the willful federal judge who was abusing his power.  But Kim Davis, through her legal counsel, declined our protection and we had to respect her wishes and stand down and go home.  It is the same here.

This org cannot and will not force itself on a family who does not want the help.  We always get the consent of the person who is being threatened or oppressed before we take any action.  Obviously, if someone is in the middle of being attacked with armed force, and are being murdered, patriots can and should defend them without waiting for them to ask for help, but that is not the case here.  The Hammonds have had plenty of time to issue a call for armed help, and they have not, and instead, they have issued their statement of intent to comply with the Court’s order to turn themselves in.

We went to Bundy Ranch after the Bundy family directly asked for help in their strong stand, and we went there specifically to prevent them from being “Waco’d” after we saw clear preparation and intent by the Feds to use military trained snipers and Special Forces veteran mercenaries against cowboys and their families.

Likewise, the miners in the Sugar Pine Mine in Oregon, and the miners in Lincoln, Montana asked for our help and we went there after seeing a pattern of behavior by the BLM of intentionally burning occupied cabins, drawing guns on miners, etc. that caused us to be concerned for the miners’ physical safety, along with evidence that BLM agents intended to use force to remove the miners from their claims without due process.

And in Ferguson, Missouri, we asked shop owners and residents if they wanted our protection, and only after they said “yes” did we deploy, rifles in hand, to guard them against deadly arsonists and violent looters.   Without their consent, we would have had no right to go onto their rooftops.

And just this year, in Idaho, our Idaho Oath Keepers joined with Idaho Three Percenters and other patriots,  to stand on the front lawn of a veteran who the VA had decreed “unfit to handle his own affairs” and therefore prohibited from owning firearms.  The VA informed the veteran they they intended to inspect his home for firearms.   This man’s neighbors and other patriots in Idaho let it be known that they would not let the VA enter this veteran’s home or disarm him.   And the VA backed off and issued a retraction of their “finding” (all of a sudden, the VA doctor decided that the veteran was competent after-all).    That was a righteous cause, and a victory for the right to bear arms, but we only took action because he asked for help, because he was willing to stand with us, and because it was a very clear and egregious violation of his fundamental rights.  Without his consent and participation, we would not have acted.

CRITICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE HAMMOND SITUATION AND BUNDY RANCH

In addition to the fact that the Hammonds have not requested our help, and intend to report to federal custody to serve out the additional sentences, there are also several other important differences between this situation and Bundy Ranch.   As stated above, at Bundy Ranch, we saw a very clear and present danger of imminent unlawful and excessive force being used against the Bundy ranching family (who’s family home is always full of children and grand-children).   There were military trained sniper teams, Special Forces veteran “contractors” and video footage of BLM agents tazing Ammon Bundy, sicking attack dogs on him, and throwing his elderly aunt to the ground.  The Feds also set up their absurd and disgusting “First Amendment Areas” and tried to confine protesters to them, and arrested one of the Bundy sons for being outside of the taped off designated protest area.

All indicators were that the Bundy’s were at risk of being killed in a Ruby Ridge or Waco type incident.   And that is why we went(along with many other groups and individuals), after the Bundy family directly asked for help.  And because the whole Bundy family, and many of their cowboy friends and neighbors were willing to take a hard stand, with the support of veterans and patriots, they prevailed, the Feds blinked, and backed off.

That was a clear win for Team Liberty, while maintaining the moral high ground in the eyes of the great majority of patriotic Americans -which is exactly why the Feds backed off.  They knew they had overstepped, that the “optics” were bad, and they had severely underestimated the resolve and resistance, and could not win without using overwhelming military force, and they knew that if they tried to use that military force – as many leftists were screaming for them to do – the military would split at least in half, and many or most of the current serving trigger pullers in the Marine Corps and Army infantry would have sided with the resistance – joining all of us pissed off veterans – in the resulting civil war.

In the Hammond case, there is no clear and present danger of the family being mass murdered, there is no stand off, and the family has no intent of starting one.   They have apparently been threatened with being sent to the worst sections of prison if they communicate with Ammon, and that is certainly an abuse of their rights, but they have chosen to not request assistance, to NOT take a physical stand against serving the additional sentence, and they have chosen to turn themselves in.   We must respect that choice.

If you want to go protest, by all means do so (and I think going armed while you peaceably assemble and protest is perfectly within your rights, but beware agent provocateurs and hot heads), but do not allow yourselves to be roped into an armed stand off the Hammonds do not want.   They have made their choice, and their neighbors are also apparently unwilling to take a hard stand.  Respect that, even if you disagree with them.

HOW THE FOUNDERS KICKED OFF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION THE RIGHT WAY

Those who intend to try to force this into some form of modern “Lexington Green” or “Concord Bridge” against the wishes of the Hammonds and their neighbors need to take a hard look at the Founders’ example and their wisdom.   The Founders, even after the Boston Massacre, did not immediately take up arms and fight.  They gave the Crown and Parliament plenty of rope to hang themselves and show their true face to the colonists, and drive more Americans over to the Patriot cause.   The Founders focused on smart resistance that poked at the Crown and goaded them into further abuse of more of the American people, and goaded Gage into attacking as the clear aggressor, to arrest the patriot leaders and confiscate arms and ammunition.

Even after General Gage was appointed Royal Governor over Massachusetts, and placed Boston under martial law (and suspended all town hall meetings throughout the Massachusetts colony) the patriots still did not fire upon the King’s troops.  Instead, they formed militia and minuteman companies in each town and county, they stored up ammunition, food, medicine, etc for the coming resistance, and they organized and prepared an effective resistance movement at the town and county level, which included both pubic militia and underground “Sons of Liberty” cells.

And they let the Crown piss off all of the other citizens of Massachusetts with the egregious ban on town hall meetings, which the people ignored and intentionally violated while daring Gage to try to stop them from meeting, and because they had formed into well organize militia, that numbered in the tens of thousands, Gage knew he was powerless to stop those town hall meetings, as he made clear in his written request for more troops.

The patriots did not fire on the King’s troops until General Gage ordered his men to march on Lexington and Concord to seize Hancock and Adams, and to confiscate guns, cannon, powder, and food supplies.   In other words, the patriot leadership had the discipline and wisdom to maneuver Gage into attempting  wholesale gun confiscation.  And that was the spark that fully justified armed resistance in they eyes of the greatest number of Americans at the time.

By doing so, they retained the moral high ground, while also engaging the King’s troops out in patriot dominated territory, where they were strong, well organized, and vastly outnumbered the Red Coats, and thus they kicked their ass all the way back to Boston.  They poked Gage into vastly overstepping (and “stepping on his dick” as we would say today) and by doing so, they started the Revolution off with a win on all fronts – a military victory, a moral victory, and a morale victory.  THAT is how you kick off a fight.  And then they won a series of victories throughout 1775 that ended with Gage having to evacuate the British Army and Navy from Boston.  And that is how you start off a Revolution.

LET OBAMA AND HIS FELLOW TRAVELER MARXIST BUDDIES “STEP ON THEIR DICKS” ON THE GUN ISSUE, AND MAKE A HARD STAND TO RESIST ON THAT

All of you who are impatient and itching for a fight, put your thinking caps on, and use your heads.  Keep your cool, and don’t worry, the fight will come to you soon enough.  Obama, and the other anti-gun idiot politicians, such as the Governor of CT, will not be able to resist the temptation to attempt to violate our right to bear arms by executive decree, such as barring anyone put on no-fly list and other “government watch lists” from owning guns – which would include me, by the way, as I am on an “Aviation Security” watch list, and get a special “SSSS” designation every time I fly.  I can’t even check in and get a boarding pass from the ticket agent without the airlines calling DHS for permission to let me fly (which usually takes a half an hour), and I get the “full Montey” screening and groping each time.

Clearly, their intent is to eventually put all of you “dangerous” veterans, patriots, and constitutionalists on such watch lists, designate you as someone who is barred from owning guns, and then use that to disarm you, one at a time.   And they actually think we will just roll over and let them do that.

The idiotic CT Governor, Malloy, is paving the fast track to the next American Civil War/Revolution with his plan to sign an executive order precluding “those on government watch lists” from purchasing or owning firearms.  See this, and this.   He is actually planning on confiscating the guns of anyone who lives in Connecticut who the Feds put on one of their many watch lists.

Who can be on those lists?  Anyone, and everyone.  What is the criteria for being put on such a list?  Who knows?   What due process is there?  None.  And Malloy thinks the gun owners of Connecticut, who have already refused to comply with his prior edicts on guns, will just comply and be disarmed.  What a delusional fool!   He is poking a hornet’s nest while smiling for the cameras.

Entually, all of us, across this nation, who dare to stand for liberty and the Constitution, will be on one list or another, and what is being done in Connecticut will be done in other states, and at the national level too.   Obama is also considering an Executive Order decreeing background checks on private gun sales.  And anti-gun weenies in NY want to restrict how much ammo New York state residents can buy.  And in California, the police have now been given the green light to unilaterally disarm anyone they don’t think should have a gun, on their say-so alone, without the person even knowing about it or having a day in court, through “Gun Violence Restraining Orders” (GVRO’s).  Good!  Bring it.

Let Obama and the other hoplophobes step on their dicks, with both feet, with cleats on.   And organize local resistance, to help gun owners, like the old vet in Idaho, who are willing to take a hard stand, and put your muscle behind that hard stand, on the critical issue of guns, IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY (the three most important questions you have to answer are “who’s on your buddy team, who’s on your fire-team, who’s on your squad.”).

Get organized, get trained, get equipped, and help your neighbors unite in mutual defense and help to train them.  Form minuteman companies and Quick Reaction Forces (QRF) in your town and county.  Then let “them” come and try to take your guns.  Make THAT the modern Lexington and Concord, and we will have the greatest number of Americans on our side, and the greatest number of the current serving military on our side, as possible.

That is how you do it.  Not by trying to force the people of Harney County, Oregon to take a stand they apparently don’t want to take, over land use issues most Americans don’t even understand, and which rural America as a whole essentially gave up on long ago (just a sad fact – decades ago they rolled over and, with few exceptions, let their use of the land be stripped from them by activist judges and federal agencies with the blessings of the U.S. Congress).  It will take time and lots of hard work at the local level to organize, educate, and create serious, lasting and effective local resistance on those land use issues in rural America. We should certainly do that, but it will not be done overnight.   I think the gun issue is a far, far stronger one to focus on at this time, when it comes to hard stands.

For the Republic,

Stewart Rhodes

Founder and President of Oath Keepers

 

About Author

Stewart Rhodes

Stewart is the founder and National President of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident during a night jump. He is a former firearms instructor, former member of Rep. Ron Paul’s DC staff, and served as a volunteer firefighter in Montana. Stewart previously wrote the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine. Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.

Comments

  1. D. Bertrand 1 January, 2016, 18:16

    As I have told others many times….when the time comes, you will see citizens, clergy, political figures, and most law enforcement types, that kept their political feelings to themselves, but honor their oaths, will immediately come together when the SHTF as a result of cities collapsing under tyrannical law.

    Meetings will be called by word of mouth, and by local communications to meet at a church, or other meeting locations. The dire situation will be discussed and leaders will be selected, followed by assignments. Note: OathKeeper’s CPT program is very important and part of that future process.

    Gathering intel will be the mainstay during the approaching crisis (as it is now, a very important job, as long as we have alternative media). When certain news organizations are told to cease and desist, and/or certain types are assassinated, that will be a very important clue to get ready.

    One small town in Montana is very prepared, but you’d never know it. It was explained to me how (“most every person”) knows what’s coming and they will all come together to keep the unwanted out of their town. A perimeter (24/7) will be set-up by well armed men. The women (for some) will be in that mix, but most will handle internal situations that arise.

    Ironically…what will make it easier is if and when the United Nations and/or foreign troops enter the scene. There will be no reason to vet foreign troops, since U.S. military and outside law enforcement types that want to step across the line to be free…. could be infiltrators.

    NOBODY wants a fight, but at a certain point, THEY will begin with outright violations that are so extreme, WE will not have a choice, because our lives will be on the line. Currently…the chipping away of rights is welcoming Sharia Law, race violence, and leading to ONLY one last traitorous move….and that is to disarm ALL Americans, leaving most Americans vulnerable to deadly encounters without any defense. Some say, you can’t avoid a missile….but others say, those planes and drones have to land and take-off.

    Their New World Order (marching orders) will come from the United Nations after a rogue puppet president hands-over America to the U.N., as Bill Clinton did when he turned-over 20 or so National Parks over to the U.N. The final take-over by the U.N. will be a result of governing (protecting) a certain class of people, a.k.a. refugees, of which some will (be allowed) to conduct terrorism against the American population. Both refugees and illegal aliens are somewhat protected now by the United Nations and the Catholic Church.

    That’s why a Mexican smuggler with less than 500 pounds of pot, crossing into Arizona, is deported (almost immediately), while your son or daughter gets a prison sentence for a lot less. In Texas…illegal alien DUI (and no license) drivers, do not receive hard time and often turned-over to the Feds, of whom answer to the United Nations and/or the Mexican Consulate !

    And of course….what I just stated is referred to as being “Racist” and “Xenophobic,” labels created for the specific purpose of dividing this nation, which in-turn falls in-step with “see something, say something,” turn in your neighbors.

    Trump does very well at countering these labels and is being demonized by the same bunch that want you, me and anyone else in a “Re-Education Camp’ when the program officially begins. That’s why WE can’t allow THEIR bus to enter the town limits for the round-up.

    “Under the United Nations Biodiversity Treaty, a precious resource—owned by American citizens for over 200 years—has been turned over to the UN’s bureaucrats for control.”

    http://www.texemarrs.com/061997/national_parks_belong_to_un.htm

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    • trueblume62 1 January, 2016, 22:18

      Excellent commentary D. Your sentiments mirror my own, and would be honored to “serve” with you, and others like you when TSHTF! One of the most egregious pieces of legislative FILTH perpetrated against WE THE PEOPLE is the “sanctuary cities” garbage, where the very “illegals”, or “refujihadis”, as I refer to them, are permitted to roam free…UNTOUCHED…right here in OUR cities, and towns! You see all the cases of these “refujihadis” committing crime, after crime against US, with many of them having been deported, and re-entering NUMEROUS times!!
      I am going to a protest tomorrow, at one of the local centers, which has brought, and continues to bring more, and more of these “refujihadis” in to OUR communities!!
      I guess you could say it’s a New Year resolution, that I resolve to be more proactive, and do WHATEVER I can to make certain that OUR Constitution is STRICTLY adhered to, and NO-ONE…neither here, nor abroad (especially right here), has the opportunity to change that!!
      Thank you, and I look forward to your reply!!

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      • ModelstateCitizen 4 January, 2016, 07:23

        The government is violating the constitution, by extending the sentences of these men they are violating the 5th amendment of Double Jeopardy. The government has 14 days to review a judges sentencing and extend their sentences. They cannot do it after their obligation from a “victimless crime” has been fulfilled. This is government tyranny at its worst, because not only are they violating the 5th, but they are also unjustly profiting and violating articles 44 and 46 of the lieber code. If you are a BLM agent which is registered as a foreign agency, you should know that any man in the army or marines or officer of this country would be inside his rights to shoot you on sight because you are a foreign invader and an enemy to the american people. If the president supports you that is treason and he needs to be arrested immediately!

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        • Mr. Butterworth 4 January, 2016, 14:37

          Double Jeopardy says they can’t be tried a second time for the same crime. They weren’t. Their sentencing was overturned. If a sentence can be overturned to commute it, it can be overturned to extend it. It’s dirty pool, but neither unconstitutional nor illegal. It isn’t even unprecedented. Through willful ignorance and contempt for the truth, you have chosen to deliberately mislead honest people.

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          • AdamHaaretz 4 January, 2016, 17:58

            Thank you for that clarification Mr Butterworth. It is vital that facts are argued, not misperceptions.

          • Mrs. Butterworth 5 January, 2016, 02:32

            BUT you can’t overturn a sentence after the defendant has served their time and has been RELEASED. After that then it does constitute Double Jeopardy!

          • TheJudge 5 January, 2016, 02:44

            The Double Jeopardy Clause protects against three distinct abuses: [1] a second prosecution for the same offense after acquittal; [2] a second prosecution for the same offense after conviction; and [3] MULTIPLE PUNISHMENTS FOR THE SAME OFFENSE.

    • PeaceSouljer 2 January, 2016, 04:57

      The Socialist cabal, who managed to thrust a nobody politician named Obama into the WH, are begging for an armed insurrection in the US because this will lead to Martial Law and the PERMANENT suspension of the Constitution. They want to move us towards a two caste system resembling feudal Europe of the middle ages, with the wealthy land owning Lords having the rights and power and the slave-like peasants as subjects to do their bidding. Every step we have seen since the southern states were forced to surrender by the Union marauders who raped, pillaged, plundered, and burned the South, who rose up against the ever increasing power of the Federal government, is to move us in that direction. If you believe for one moment that the Federal government is looking out for anyone’s interests other than their own, then you are grossly mistaken. The Oath Keepers are building up our storehouses, armories, and our perimeter walls to defend against the ‘invasion’ that the feds will soon launch against law-abiding and freedom-loving citizens when they come to seize our properties (thanks to the current SCOTUS). How many of these invaders will obey the oath they took, but how many will goosestep in line with the coming Fourth Reich as it overtakes America – no Amerika. Are you and your family ready?

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      • Nolan Teter 4 January, 2016, 08:29

        It wasn’t a socialist cabal that put Obama in the White House. It was a strong majority of American voters.

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        • Brandon Smith 4 January, 2016, 08:45

          Actually, it was corporate globalists that control our election process including which candidates from either party get to “run against” each other. Your vote does not matter.

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        • VoterNick 6 January, 2016, 15:28

          And rampant voter fraud.

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        • Moman 8 January, 2016, 16:14

          you apparently forgot a few things.. like the fact that black panthers made several voters do so under duress for Obama, the fact there was multiple counts of voter fraud, and even the intentional misvoting that was done by the programs in the voting machiens to make some areas give a 100% vote to him.

          a 100% of the populous vote for one candidate is about as improbable as winning the lotto.

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    • Caese 4 January, 2016, 15:11

      No way you would ever be able to repel the U.S. military. It would be much like what we did to the Iraqi Army.

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      • Shorty Dawkins 4 January, 2016, 16:23

        Like the Patriots fighting the British? Or like the Afghans fighting the Russians and the Americans? Or like the Finns fighting the Soviets? It is not sensible to defeat oneself before the battle is enjoined.

        Shorty Dawkins

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        • AdamHaaretz 4 January, 2016, 18:09

          Mr Dawkins
          Please recall that the War of American Independence was nit simply Patriots vs British. We had help, most of it from France.

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          France in the American Revolutionary War

          The British (center) surrender to French (left) and American (right) troops, at the Battle of Yorktown in 1781.

          French (left) and British ships (right) at the battle of the Chesapeake off Yorktown in 1781; the outnumbered British fleet departed, leaving army no choice but to surrender
          France played a key role in the American Revolutionary War (American War of Independence; 1775–1783). After the Americans captured a British army, France recognized and allied itself with them in 1778, declared war on Britain, provided money and matériel to arm the new republic, and sent an army to the United States. French intervention made a decisive contribution to the U.S. victory in the war. Motivated by a long-term rivalry with Britain and by revenge for its territorial losses during the French and Indian War, France began secretly sending supplies in 1775. Spain and the Netherlands joined France, making it a global war in which the British had no major allies. France obtained its revenge, but materially it gained little and was left with over 1 billion livres in debts that seriously weakened the government on the eve of the French Revolution.

          Benjamin Franklin served as the American ambassador to France from 1776 to 1785. He met with many leading diplomats, aristocrats, intellectuals, scientists and financiers. Franklin’s image and writings caught the French imagination – there were many images of him sold on the market – and he became the cultural icon of the archetypal new American, and even a hero for aspirations for a new order inside France.

          In 1778 France recognized the United States of America as a sovereign nation, signed a military alliance, went to war with Britain, built coalitions with the Netherlands and Spain that kept Britain without a significant ally of its own, provided the Americans with grants, arms and loans, sent a combat army to serve under George Washington, and sent a navy that prevented the second British army from escaping from Yorktown in 1781.

          In all, the French spent about 1.3 billion livres (in modern currency, approximately thirteen billion U.S. dollars) to support the Americans directly, not including the money it spent fighting Britain on land and sea outside the United States.

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          • Brandon Smith 4 January, 2016, 18:42

            You seem to be forgetting that the French were constantly threatening to remove logistical support from the colonials, and almost went bankrupt. The ONLY reason they remained in support was because the revolutionaries began defeating the British in major skirmishes or fighting them to stalemate. Also, I love how the whole “French won the war for the Revolutionaries” crowd overlooks the fact that the American Revolution was also a CIVIL WAR. The pro-monarchy colonials far outnumbered the revolutionaries and fought many battles with only British officers present. Given the odds and the limited number of actual French troops on the ground, the accomplishments of the Founding Fathers were ASTOUNDING. Truly epic. This is why the French remain a footnote. Their contributions were marginal by comparison and it was the victories of the founders that kept them involved at all.

    • Lysander Spooner 5 January, 2016, 16:06

      Are you Oathkeepers or Oathbreakers? This event is not even a standoff (yet) and the writer of this article is dishonest and disingenuous when they say this is all for the Hammonds. The Hammond’s situation is the straw that broke the camel’s back. This isn’t about defending them because they cowered to violent predators instead of standing their ground. This is about ALL ranchers, farmers, business, and land owners, the backbone of America. This is about running out violent predators from their den of thieves and protecting ALL people from their predation. To pretend this is about anything other than defending your Constitutional rights is so negligent and farcical that it reeks of cowardice.

      Those who show support and lend their arms to protect the innocent have the ability to prevent this ending badly and save lives. Those who cower, make excuses, and wait for another battle are not deserving of freedom, because they won’t keep their oath and defend the freedom and lives of other Americans. They are Oathbreakers.

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  2. Russell E. Massey 1 January, 2016, 19:53

    Spoken like a true patriot and leader of men Stewart. Now is not the time for rash actions made by any serious people in the patriot movement. The domestic enemies and treasonous scoundrels who have sold their souls for power and riches in America will surely make the rash actions and like you said we must retain the high moral ground. The globalist thugs that are presently running rampant and lawless in America are growing fearful of We the People. They are over confident and their hubris will be their ultimate downfall. They will jump the shark and soon but the rope that they have been generously laying out will be of ample amount to hang them all in the end after they are given the just trial that they have no intention to give any of us.
    That is the difference between these traitors and their followers and us. We live by honor and fare legal treatment for all and they do not have honor or any semblance of morel integrity. That is why they will lose and lose big. Their exodus from our shores will make any documented mass movement of people from a country appear small in comparison.
    Thank you again for proving why you are our organizations president by using your sound intellect and ethical prowess not to mention the overwhelming example of leadership manliness to decide when to form up and when to stand down.
    Proud to know you my friend, God Bless you and your family in the new year. No matter what happens in the coming year know that I for one will always be faithful and true to that sacred oath to the constitution that we all made and forever stand firm for what is right and good in this country no matter what the consequences.

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    • Liberty Shirl 2 January, 2016, 08:55

      The Hammond’s were threatened to not do this just like the Bundy’ were threatened.

      You either stand up to all injustices or don’t call yourself a leader, period.

      I trust that the Oath Keepers that I know will still be in Oregon for the PEACEFUL protest!

      Papers are to be filed PEACEFULLY to change jurisdiction to change this injustice. Meantime it is to make others aware of the breach and corruption by the Sheriff Ward and the BLM!

      I hope I read about thousands of Oath Keepers in Burns, Oregon!

      Prayers for those that have the wisdom to lead themselves.

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      • Martha 2 January, 2016, 18:03

        So, in the name of Freedom and the greatly good you would deny the Hammond Family to choose their own path and force your way upon them. I would say you are misguided at the very least.

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        • BrianC 3 January, 2016, 11:57

          No one is forcing anything on the Hammonds. They are free to do as their consciences direct them. This is about an illegal action by the federal government against dozens of American families that have been persecuted horribly over many decades.

          Convicting people of terrorism for putting out a wild range fire is an intolerable act.

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          • Brandon Smith 3 January, 2016, 20:47

            And yet, a standoff was created in THEIR NAME when they specifically asked for that not to happen. They were used as a vehicle for political ends. To deny it is dishonest.

      • LJC 3 January, 2016, 12:51

        I believe the Hammonds are whipped down emotionally and financially and have been threatened. My only wish for them now is that good folks help family maintain ranch while men are away. I feel that if there is blood shed on their behalf, they have been threatened by retaliation. I’m going to follow story closely. God bless America!

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  3. Dr. Clifford N. Alford 1 January, 2016, 22:18

    With guarding recruiting centers and other ongoing operations, the last thing we need is to get involved with people who don’t want us.

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  4. Bill Hickey 1 January, 2016, 22:22

    What we have here is a failure to communicate. OK has cleared this up and rendered perfect clarity to the situation. I think there are layers to this we do not understand. Something about the Bundys… what would they have to gain by pushing this into a situation? Something about the Hammonds… what would they have to lose by allowing a confrontation? We may never know the answers but for this particular situation, the die has been cast by the Hammonds, the only ones who have the right to make the call. So… we all know the perfect storm is coming but it’s not here yet. We’ll know when it is, and on that day there will be universal consensus. In the meantime, hold fast to common sense, and be aware of agents provocateur from whatever side. The Master told Peter to put up his sword for a reason. Oddly, he himself physically cleaned-out the money changers. I’m thinking about Ecclesiastes, too, wherein there is a designated season for every action on earth.

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  5. marlene 1 January, 2016, 22:34

    The American people have had enough of this rogue criminal enterprise in Washington. It’s time to impeach – or be impeached. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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  6. ~Lance 1 January, 2016, 22:37

    Someone asked me if I were going to go to Burns, Oregon to help out, and my reply was “no”. One thing I’ve learned in life, is not to worry more about others than they worry about themselves; (including family) they didn’t want our help. Another reason, although not the deciding factor, is that Harney County Oregon does not have a constitutional sheriff. I hope the people get rid of him in their next election. It’s way past push-come-to- shove time folks, so make darn sure you vote in a Constitutional Sheriff in your next election..

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    • Joseph Carrilho 2 January, 2016, 22:16

      I think the Hammond family may have been faced with the ultimate threat; the question “Plata o plomo?”

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  7. BenTher 1 January, 2016, 22:49

    Famous Quote: When you KNOW for sure that you are going to have to fight the serpent, first and foremost, BEFORE the serpent coils to strike, sever it’s heads. – Author: An Unknown Man Who Lived To Fight Another Battle

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  8. militia.us.com 2 January, 2016, 00:23

    There has been no call to action for armed confrontation from Ammon or any of the joint Militias planning to attend the rally and March. The fedcoats however cannot be trusted, Stuart, you mention provocateurs which is why we issued a travel advisory for the Burns rally. As far as Ammon’s beef it is with the BLM, who unlawfully squat on over 700,000,000 acres of land in flagrant violation of the Constitution. I am sure he thought the community would rally behind the cause to evict the bastards from thier perch. This is why Ammon goes into the history of the county and the destruction caused when the federal land baron steals States property to control recousces and direct them to special interests while racketeering fees and taxes via control of the land. Ammon see’s this as an opportunity to spotlight the issue of unconstitutional federal squatting on what should be State or private land. The issue is being looked at “Operation Sovereign Antiquity” seeks to account for all unconsented federal land grabs, seek either consent or denial from state legislatures, then if necesarry use the power of the 10th ammendment and the right of the people, combined with the people’s rights of the second ammendment to evict these fedcoat land squatters and punt them back to thier constitutional 10 mile square.

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    • Brandon Smith 2 January, 2016, 00:46

      Confronting the issue of BLM land grabbing is certainly a righteous effort, but the point remains that NO RALLY, peaceful or otherwise, can be justified without the consent of the Hammond family or the citizens of the county. If they do not want us there, we have to respect that. No exceptions. Beyond this, if you do not have the backing of the locals then you are doomed to failure before you even begin. Can you imagine if we had tried to operate in Ferguson without the consent of the local shopkeepers? This is the wrong fight at the wrong time.

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      • PatriotHammer 3 January, 2016, 23:34

        So you now take your marching orders from the Feds? All the Feds have to do to stop you from going somewhere is to threaten and intimidate the victims into saying they dont want you there, and you bend over? Really?

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        • Brandon Smith 4 January, 2016, 02:11

          In your idiocy, you have overlooked the bigger problem. Any moron can create a standoff with the feds, but there are issues of strategic advantage and moral high ground to consider. At Bundy Ranch they had the moral high ground because they were defending their home from invaders, which is why they prevailed in the public eye as well as against the Feds. In Oregon, THEY are the invaders, on a piece of land with no significance whatsoever. If I tell you that it might hurt the fed’s feeling if you put your head in an oven, would you go do it?

          Bundy and others could have waited for a better opportunity on more solid ground, but they are apparently so desperate for glory that they couldn’t operate with a modicum of intelligence.

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          • Reader 4 January, 2016, 15:27

            The Hammonds are in a particularly difficult situation. The tears of the old gentleman are very disturbing as his incarceration well could be his death sentence.
            The Hammonds cannot approve or request assistance because this is not a local control situation, it is a Federal act of tyranny and as such, the already egregious acts against the Hammonds would become more severe at Federal discretion.
            I for one am not so quick to say that the love and affection demonstrated toward the Hammonds is being lost on them. I believe the Bundy effort is appreciated. If the militia personnel were on Hammond property, legal means available to the Hammond family exist to have them removed as they would be in trespass.
            For about 5 or so years, it has been my observation that events precipitating martial law will be manufactured to completely subdue the people. We may well be on that path now, and the treasonous denizens inhabiting our White House and the halls of our Congress have usurped powers beyond those legitimate powers granted them, and those retained by the people.
            This has become an academic study which well may result in not only armed conflict, but a shooting war.
            The heel of the tyrant is on the horizon and indeed is already here. The larger segment of a lazy and self- indulgent population just do not realize it.

  9. militia.us.com 2 January, 2016, 00:25

    There has been no call to action for armed confrontation from Ammon or any of the joint Militias planning to attend the rally and March. The fedcoats however cannot be trusted, Stuart, you mention provocateurs which is why we issued a travel advisory for the Burns rally. As far as Ammon’s beef it is with the BLM, who unlawfully squat on over 700,000,000 acres of land in flagrant violation of the Constitution. I am sure he thought the community would rally behind the cause to evict the bastards from thier perch. This is why Ammon goes into the history of the county and the destruction caused when the federal land baron steals States property to control recousces and direct them to special interests while racketeering fees and taxes via control of the land. Ammon see’s this as an opportunity to spotlight the issue of unconstitutional federal squatting on what should be State or private land. The issue is being looked at “Operation Sovereign Antiquity” seeks to account for all unconsented federal land grabs, seek either consent or denial from state legislatures, then if necesarry use the power of the 10th ammendment and the right of the people, combined with the people’s rights of the second ammendment to evict these fedcoat land squatters and punt them back to thier constitutional 10 mile square. .

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  10. helpful55 2 January, 2016, 01:39

    I think I understand this fully and agree, but the part maybe I am uneducated on is where it was reported that the Hammond’s initially asked for help or at least had communication and then were threatened to not cooperate or communicate with people like the Oath Keepers. I definitely don’t want to interfere where not welcome, but what is the story on that? Thanks.

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  11. B.GOOD 2 January, 2016, 01:48

    I have used this quote many times since O’ has taken office, and it should be a CONSTANT REMINDER TO ALL, the state of affairs of this country today:

    “IT IS NOT THE TYRANNICAL PRESIDENT I FEAR BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM…”

    OR, CA., WA… sad states… What’d u expect! : /

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    • D. Bertrand 2 January, 2016, 18:15

      With all due respect to your comment B. Good, but an example of how (your) vote is actually counted will present its ugly face, if or when the Republican Party brokers the selection process and miraculously Jeb Bush at a 3% poll rises from the ashes. We will be right back to (thinking) we have to pick the best of the worst, when it really doesn’t matter which one, Hillary or Jeb Bush receive the crown. This country will be just about finished with either puppet. They are very scared of Donald Trump…and rightly so ! A few conspirators from the 9/11 debacle might go to prison…..

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  12. Dave 2 January, 2016, 03:23

    The reality is that it is too late to do anything about what is happening to people in this country! What ever is behind it, it has a life of its own now! Police and government who no longer respect the constitution! The people polling 7% approval of government leaders but voting 97% of them back in! A country collectively flying rainbows in favor of LBTTQQFAGPBDSM, and having no idea what the rainbow actually represents, but you can guarantee the LBTTQQFAGPBDSM community knows, and that is why they chose it! In Gods face! Planned parenthood milling out baby parts! Open borders allowing anyone in! Terrorists are welcome! Gang bangers are welcome! Drug cartels welcome! We will do nothing to stop you! UPS flying in muslims, and terrorists, in the middle of the night, even while court orders exist to stop it! But no repercussions! We aren’t going to stop it! IRS being used by the white house! IRS working against conservatives! A lamestream media that simply reads what they are told to read, and nothing more! Laughed at by comedians who point out that all accross the country they are reading the same scripts as if they wrote them! No investigative news, these days! DHS has you on a watch list as suggested by the SPLC! SPLC maintaining and suggesting watchlists to the feds, even while being the most verbally violent, and extreme, of all! LEOs everywhere who would put me on an extremist list for this comment, and a country full of people who have no idea any of this is happening!

    Fighting a war in oregon would be fruitless! Even if the Hammonds were begging for help, and needed it. It would be fruitless. Because most Americans would wake up and repeat what they see first on TV. “Extremists are unhinged in oregon!” And all of America takes a sharp left!

    How do you fix the unfixable? Where do you begin? Protest? Vote? Write your congressman? What? You can say I gave up, or I see futility around every corner, but seriously, this isn’t a presidential problem, or a congressional problem, or a governmental problem! This is a problem all accross America! Are we united? Around anything? All around the world, it’s just as crazy, or crazier! Look south of the border, it’s crazy! Might as well import that crazyness here! Look at the middle east, it’s crazy! Bring some of that over here too! Africa, crazy! Come to America! China, crazy! Europe, going crazy! Russia, crazy! Just about everywhere, it is crazy!

    The feds, the BLM, the militia, the courts, the police, the media, the people, all prove there’s something far bigger! Infinitely bigger! There really is no explanation for any of this, other than to look at the Tower of Babel! This time, God has confused our thinking! America welcomes islam, everywhere, and gives God the boot, everywhere! God, in turn, kicks us to the curb! Only God can fix it now!

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  13. Dave 2 January, 2016, 03:23

    The reality is that it is too late to do anything about what is happening to people in this country! What ever is behind it, it has a life of its own now! Police and government who no longer respect the constitution! The people polling 7% approval of government leaders but voting 97% of them back in! A country collectively flying rainbows in favor of LBTTQQFAGPBDSM, and having no idea what the rainbow actually represents, but you can guarantee the LBTTQQFAGPBDSM community knows, and that is why they chose it! In Gods face! Planned parenthood milling out baby parts! Open borders allowing anyone in! Terrorists are welcome! Gang bangers are welcome! Drug cartels welcome! We will do nothing to stop you! UPS flying in muslims, and terrorists, in the middle of the night, even while court orders exist to stop it! But no repercussions! We aren’t going to stop it! IRS being used by the white house! IRS working against conservatives! A lamestream media that simply reads what they are told to read, and nothing more! Laughed at by comedians who point out that all accross the country they are reading the same scripts as if they wrote them! No investigative news, these days! DHS has you on a watch list as suggested by the SPLC! SPLC maintaining and suggesting watchlists to the feds, even while being the most verbally violent, and extreme, of all! LEOs everywhere who would put me on an extremist list for this comment, and a country full of people who have no idea any of this is happening!

    Fighting a war in oregon would be fruitless! Even if the Hammonds were begging for help, and needed it. It would be fruitless. Because most Americans would wake up and repeat what they see first on TV. “Extremists are unhinged in oregon!” And all of America takes a sharp left!

    How do you fix the unfixable? Where do you begin? Protest? Vote? Write your congressman? What? You can say I gave up, or I see futility around every corner, but seriously, this isn’t a presidential problem, or a congressional problem, or a governmental problem! This is a problem all accross America! Are we united? Around anything? All around the world, it’s just as crazy, or crazier! Look south of the border, it’s crazy! Might as well import that crazyness here! Look at the middle east, it’s crazy! Bring some of that over here too! Africa, crazy! Come to America! China, crazy! Europe, going crazy! Russia, crazy! Just about everywhere, it is crazy!

    The feds, the BLM, the militia, the courts, the police, the media, the people, all prove there’s something far bigger! Infinitely bigger! There really is no explanation for any of this, other than to look at the Tower of Babel! This time, God has confused our thinking! America welcomes islam, everywhere, and gives God the boot, everywhere! God, in turn, kicks us to the curb! Only God can fix it now!

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  14. StromN1 2 January, 2016, 04:48

    There may very well come a time when we won’t even talk talk to the victim and go straight at the victimizer like at someone who is causing serious harm to someone. Has that time arrived for the Oathkeepers in this case? Stewart clearly sez No and that’s good enough for me.

    Ammon Bundy is a very good man. I won’t criticize his actions partly because I don’t know all of what’s going on. If it is true that he’s associating with hot-heads like Jon Ritzheimer and frauds like Ryan Payne, then someone at Oathkeepers needs to set him straight or die trying.

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  15. B.Franklin 2 January, 2016, 05:43

    Go to http://www.freeschaeffercox.com and learn about a young patriot who was setup by federal agent provocateurs, and is currently imprisoned for 30 years re involvement with a militia. In my humble opinion, the reactivation of the Common Law Grand Jury is a positive and potentially effective means to restore liberty. Go to, http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org to learn more.
    I am an OATH KEEPER, proud to be one and believe,”Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty”

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  16. Steve 2 January, 2016, 06:33

    For pragmatic purposes ; I believe that Stuart Rhodes is correct in this case with The Oath Keepers because of their professionalism and the fact that the locals in Burns’ County would prefer that they not show up which would undoubtedly put The Oath Keepers in a more awkward position in regards to future run-ins concerning the Feds or the BLM and I still believe that The Oath Keepers are key in our fight too be free and being able to restore our Second Amendment Right’s back to our Founding fathers principles in regards to the Second Amendment but at the same time the BLM threatened the Hamond Family in a vicious’ way like thugs . It seems that a certain group of mititias are determined to show up anyways and for a satirical analogy ( If a woman got raped and she refused to press charges because the person who raped her threaten too come back in harm her ) . Would you get back into the car and just drive off knowing that she might be harmed again ? My point is that the Hamond Father & Son are being harmed a in diabolical way that’s unconstitutional and sense the militias aren’t leaving dose this not send a message that scare tactics are not going to work for the BLM when your dealing with the 3 % percenters and that next time the BLM might think twice before they use such diabolica scare tactics on some other rancher and who knows maybe the Hamond’s might avoid any jail time because being sentence twice for the same crime is unconstitutional just because these brave Patriot’s came anyways and were sharp enough to stay the course ; But at the same time I believe that it’s best that The Oath Keepers should stay away from Burns’ County to maintain their professionalism and their integrity !!

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  17. mark 2 January, 2016, 07:27

    As the Hammond family found out is that by trying to placate the government by going to court and serving jail time just emboldened the feds to further abuse them by adding jail time. Bundy made a stand from the beginning and is a free man. We live in a country where we are free to make choices, even if they are bad choices. Let this situation stand as an example to those who will not act bravely.

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    • Granny 3 January, 2016, 22:05

      Grampa and I were saying the SAME thing! We have read of Solzhenitsyn who said that people willingly went with their jackboot captors because they believed their innocence would save them. It didn’t. They were never seen or heard from again. Do the Hammonds believe that cooperating with tyranny is the best course? or did they just get a really, really bad lawyer…..

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  18. Cal 2 January, 2016, 11:36

    Stewart is absolutely correct in what he says that if no assistance is asked for, none must be forced upon them.

    The question I have is if the Hammonds were not only tried, convicted, and SERVED the time placed upon them for the “crime” of backburning , then HOW – under our laws – can they be retried for the SAME crime AFTER they had already served the time assigned because those that serve within the federal government were not happy with the verdict?

    That fact does matter to all of us as it puts us in danger of being prosecuted and serving time for the same “crime” over and over again at the will of whomever decides they are not happy with a jury trials decision.

    Where does those that serve within the federal government get the jurisdiction to require anything of the people, let alone to be retried for the SAME crime AGAIN after SERVING the sentence for that crime? My understanding from the US Constitution is that the only crimes assigned to the federal government (in writing within the Constitution) for law enforcement purposes are Treason, Piracy, Counterfeiting, and International law violations. Am I wrong?

    The US Constitution gives those that serve within the federal government jurisdiction over specifically named crimes, all in writing, within the US Constitution.

    Is this not a “fight” that must be held within the courts? That the US Constitution is Supreme, and where all that serve within our governments get their authority from. That authority that is delegated IS in writing, and the US Constitution is Supreme LAW here in our nation, correct? Plus it assigns exacty what those that serve within the general (federal) government have delegated authority over, right?

    So where do that serve within the federal government get jurisdiction to determine what is the correct sentence for a crime committed within a state, that the sentence was already carried out and served, on STATE property that they are supposedly “managing” for the state – because there is NO LAWFUL BLM land according to the US Constitution? This was a state problem that had been already solved by the state, YET those that serve within the general government stepped in to redo the whole process again, AFTER the SENTENCE was already carried out and time served.

    So is this NOT a law problem that must be attacked and fought by those in the legal profession? Can someone ask Dr. Vieira what he thinks?

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    • Tom R. 4 January, 2016, 17:32

      They weren’t tried again for the same crime. The first judge sentenced them to less time than the legal minimum. The second judge overruled that sentence. When the Hammonds agreed to plead guilty, they understood that they would get the sentence they’re due to report for today.

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      • Red 5 January, 2016, 10:40

        Tom R. What you have stated isn’t correct. When the Hammonds agreed to accept the partial verdict from the jury, they also agreed to abide by the sentence Judge Hogan imposed. As part of the “deal” they gave up their right to appeal. They had believed the prosecution agreed to the same parameters, that the prosecution could not appeal and had to abide by judge Hogans sentence also. They knew the potential of what judge Hogan could impose, but as it turned out Judge Hogan agreed that 5 years in prison for burning sagebrush was excessive. That’s why the judge stated the eight amendment as justification. You see most people who commit “arson on federal land ” are charged with the statue 18 US code 1855 timber set afire,which carries a maximum of 5 years not minimum. Only people that blow things up which start things on fire are charged under the antiterrorism law.

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  19. Highflight 2 January, 2016, 12:39

    The demonstration should be made to continue, not on behalf of the Hammond s, but for the state of our nation being corrupt in all branches of government and their agents.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    It is our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given – or natural, if you will – rights to suit their own ends.

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  20. Wolfmates 2 January, 2016, 13:08

    Despite being founded in 2009 Oath Keepers appears to have less than 50,000 active dues paying members. [Two sentences deleted by Elias Alias, editor]

    OK’s website is old fashioned, visually stagnant and clunky. There’s a distinct lack of fresh red meat, timely news, articles, updates and transparency. We offered to develop and manage a brand new, state of the art, interactive website absolutely free. Guess what, never heard back.

    We know from personal experience that member comments are censored. Sure, NSA, CIA, DHS, FBI, IRS, etc. know exactly what’s going inside OK’s camp; it’s only the membership that’s in the dark. The peanut gallery sees only the ‘leadership approved party line’. [Eight sentences deleted by Elias Alias, editor]

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    • Elias Alias 2 January, 2016, 13:43

      Wolfmates, if you want to waste some more of your time, feel free. To get your animosity onto this website you’ll have to be more clever — at least, for so long as I’m the editor here. Yes, I censor comments, and so do some of the associate editors. I’m like the janitor — I sweep out the trash daily. Don’t like me? Sorry about your luck.

      Salute!
      Elias Alias, editor

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  21. teller123 2 January, 2016, 14:51

    I am a member of Oath Keepers albeit only a middle aged woman with no military background. I joined because I believe in the cause so if I can do anything to support I will and do. I donate money for these people that are clearly being illegally arrested and charged and having their stuff stolen from them. I don’t care who you are this is flat out wrong and if we don’t do something right now we don’t have a prayer in hell of fixing anything. That being said I do understand that the family has not asked for help. I have been following this story closely and it is more than crystal clear the family is not going to ask for anything because they’ve been beaten down, threatened, illegally charged and jailed on trumped up charges and are terrified. The whole town is scared. You can bet they are praying someone is going to try to help. I sure would be if it were me.

    IMO and with nothing but respect for Mr. Rhodes I believe OK should be there right now showing support. This town is terrified and too afraid to stand for themselves let alone ask for any kind of help. It’s really up to like minded people to show up for any and all of these kinds of situations where it is more than obvious the victims have been unfairly and un- Constitutionally bullied by corrupt Federal Agencies. It is very clear that is what has taken place in this case. We need to teach people to grow a backbone and learn to defend themselves. YES WE CAN do that and we can do it without armed conflicts. If OK had existed back when events like WACO/ or Ruby Ridge took place would we have stood down because no one asked for help? The Federal government slaughtered those people and knowing what we know they are capable of all I can say is we need to help all the time whether or not help is asked for. This is a rally, it’s peaceful and it is imperative that the country see this right now with a stern reminder of past tragedies like the ones mentioned above here.

    The end result is that all the people in that town, county and surrounding areas now know what the militia is all about up close and personal. It’s a great opportunity to educate, change minds and wake people up. You can see from the earlier conversations how the people in the town were freaking out about shootouts and armed conflicts and all kinds of nonsense that is just not true with patriots. After this rally is over all those people will now know what OK and other militia groups are all about and will not be so willing to believe the lies posted on the internet. Just sayin’…. it’s a good opportunity for the cause.

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    • D. Bertrand 2 January, 2016, 18:40

      Waco and Ruby Ridge are examples of what can easily happen again. If Ruby Ridge was happening now, I think the reaction by Oath Keepers, Militias, Military Vets, Retired Law Enforcement, and other patriots would respond (invited or not) and the big wigs in Washington would react by sending in the National Guard, and all hell would break loose……but at the end of the day, I doubt that any agents would get a medal as FBI sharpshooter Lon Horiuchi did for murdering Randy’s wife while holding her baby.

      We also know the truth behind Waco and how 74 men and women were massacred by ATF agents using military weapons. We didn’t have the internet then, but the truth has risen and it ain’t pretty.

      If Waco or Ruby happened again….it would be war on a major scale.

      From: http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html

      After the February raid by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) of David Koresh’s dissident religious community at Waco, Texas, the FBI and the U.S. Army took over, mounting a 51-day siege. This included such psyc-war tactics as sleep deprivation of the inhabitants of the community by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of the screams of rabbits being slaughtered.

      Finally, despite David Koresh’s pledge to surrender upon completion of his written explanation of the meaning of the Seven Seals, the FBI and the Army attacked. At dawn on April 19, 1993, and throughout the morning, tanks rammed holes in the main building and pumped (in the FBI’s words) “massive amounts” of CS gas into the building, despite knowing that inside were more than a dozen children. The tanks demolished parts of the compound and created tunnels for the wind to blow through. The buildings at this point were saturated with inflammable CS gas and spilled kerosene.

      Around midday two U.S. military pyrotechnic devices were fired into the main building, igniting a fire which (because of the holes in the walls allowing the wind to gust through) spread rapidly through the complex of buildings and became an inferno. 74 men, women and children died — including twelve children younger than five years of age. Fire trucks were prevented by the FBI from approaching the inferno. After the compound had burned down the BATF flag was hoisted aloft to signify ‘victory’. Subsequently the burned-out ruin was razed in an attempt to remove all evidence of this premeditated murder of innocent civilians by agents of the U.S. government. Thus occurred an atrocity which many Americans believe could never happen in their country. A look at the evidence presented in the film Waco: Rules of Engagement (and in the BBC documentary broadcast in the U.K. on November 28, 1998) shows that it did happen.

      The lawyer for one of the survivors said at one of the U.S. government ‘investigations’ (or rather, whitewashes): In this country when people are accused of a crime they are arrested and given a trial — that’s ‘due process’. If found guilty of murder then maybe they are killed. We don’t just kill them first — which is what happened at Waco.

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  22. Robin 2 January, 2016, 20:46

    The problem I have with this is … They may have the “Right” to give up if they so choose BUT in doing so they are also giving up for the rest of US and they have NOT right to do that. To allow the Double Jeopardy to take place on them is to say it is ok for ALL. That is NOT ok . This is not ok and for them to think this is about just them would selfish, for anyone to think this is ONLY about 1 family is selfish and is not clearly looking at this from all angles. They have the right to give up BUT others have the RIGHT to defend them because in their effort to defend them they will also be defending us all. This fight has several different meanings not just one. OK’S should be looking at every side, have they been worn down ? threatened ? Are they scared ? Fear that good people will get killed defending them so they may be decide to take the heat instead? In which case you should be there to tell them that is your job to worry about and that is what you are there for if it came to that. You should be taking those worries OFF there shoulders ! Are they just so tired they think it will just be over if they give up ? If so Again YOU should be there to inform them it will NOT be over it will NOT stop with them.
    And Last give deep consideration to the fact that it is the Government that is wanting to know just how far you WILL go to protect the PEOPLE you gave your OATH to protect, Because right now you are giving them the answer. Do you know what that answer is ? The Answer is this Oath Keeper will protect the people until the people has been worn down or scared into submission and when the people are ready to submit the Oath Keepers WILL BACK DOWN and not pose a threat at at. That dear Oath Keepers is the Intel you have just released to the Government. Congratulations for your proud and defining moment in HISTORY.

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    • Brandon Smith 2 January, 2016, 21:32

      That’s a collectivist argument – you are essentially saying they do not have the right to make their own personal decisions about their own futures because this “might” affect the rest of us (which is unproven). This is the LIBERTY MOVEMENT, not a communist enclave. We respect the personal decisions of other people, and fight for the people that DO want our help. No exceptions. If you do not have the support of the locals, your fight is doomed to fail. If you do not fight with your head rather than your emotions or ego, you will fail. If you try to fight EVERY fight rather than the winnable fights, then you will fail. This is the strategic reality of our situation and you will never be able to rationalize it away with indignant clamoring.

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      • Dummies 3 January, 2016, 14:08

        Haha, it is a Federalist argument. Read your history, the rest of the country already solved this problem in the 18th Century. What the man is saying has nothing to do with a “communist enclave,” he brings up a perfectly valid point that was handled through the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS centuries ago. You people are so reactionary that you can’t function. So yes, don’t take your guns to town, Bill.

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        • Brandon Smith 3 January, 2016, 20:53

          No, I’m afraid it is a collectivist argument, it has nothing to do with the federalists. What the above poster essentially claims is that the Hammonds should be exploited as a political vehicle because what they do “affects” the rest of us. This is ignorant nonsense. We should respect their wishes to avoid creating a standoff IN THEIR NAME. If you want a standoff, then start one where you are WANTED; it’s as simple as that.

          Robin’s argument is no different than Marxist gun-grabber arguments that they should be allowed to exploit shooting tragedies in order to push forward their political agenda even though most of the victims never asked for that.

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  23. Bill Hickey 2 January, 2016, 23:36

    1/2 Saturday night… I’m getting conflicting intel in that the Hammonds do want support but are hamstrung to ask for it. This is from People on scene with a dog in the fight. Where is you dog, OK?? You want to rethink this??

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    • Brandon Smith 3 January, 2016, 04:24

      By morning you will see exactly how correct the Oath Keeper position was on this supposed “peaceful protest”.

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  24. Dave 3 January, 2016, 07:19

    I think it’s going to be another black eye for oath keepers. It’s no longer about the hammonds!

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  25. ZebBlanchard 3 January, 2016, 08:08

    The situation in Burns has reached the dangerous level. It could evolve to a Ruby Ridge, or worse, and all of that for a not so good cause.

    Bundy’s sons have occupied a federal building an appear to be making a stand there.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKBN0UH03R20160103

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  26. Randall 3 January, 2016, 08:49

    You can’t force a man to be free.

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  27. D. Bertrand 3 January, 2016, 09:18

    Saturday 01/02/16

    “Bundy and his fellow militiamen have seized the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge — located in a remote area some 50 miles southeast of the city of Burns — in hopes of creating a “base” where “patriots” like themselves can come, with their guns, to live and make their stand against the “tyrannical” federal government.”

    http://www.vox.com/2016/1/3/10703712/oregon-militia-standoff

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    • Jafo 3 January, 2016, 10:34

      They have no moral authority or local support. They will fail hard if they do not disperse or surrender.

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    • sixpack 3 January, 2016, 22:36

      With msm articles like that – no wonder people are scared.

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  28. D. Bertrand 3 January, 2016, 09:58

    If anything….there should be hundreds of witnesses to stand watch and record the militia occupation of the federal building south of Burns, OR.

    Waco and Ruby Ridge could have been avoided if Patriots stood watch. That can be more effective than firing shot.

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  29. I 3 January, 2016, 10:41

    The sad fact is, this entire thing is a losing fight. i saw one user here with “62” after his name. That reminded me of the difference in education and political affiliation between the young and old in this coyntry. All they have to do is wait 20 years, and the millenials will happily let them nullify the constitution in the name of global warming and “social justice”.

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  30. Charles Mankin 3 January, 2016, 11:50
  31. jcd0101 3 January, 2016, 14:33

    I disagree for one reason..
    If the family said (hey were just going to finish our sentance) they no one else has the right to interfere..

    I also do contend that something is very wrong in our own government when we live in fear now of
    their mraps, abrams tanks , and all of the weapons that we the tax payer paid for are now being used against the civilian population..

    You can see each day the retoric from the communists liberals is heating up – basically demanding all whites be blamed for all of the wrongs in our society and they demand we be disarmed

    But my biggest concern is i called my senator and representative and basically as soon as i started to state that i am both a veteran and a constitutionalist the person on the other end of the line chuckled and laughed and said (sure we will tell the congressman) .. All i got back was a form letter.

    you see i dont have any money – so i cant pay to play – like all the rich liberals can..
    So i dont mean squat to the democrats – my vote means nothing

    So since the democrats and the feds have put themselves above all laws
    So since the department of non-justice wont even do their jobs
    So since all of congress – refuses to obey our laws and their sworn duty

    why should i obey any of your laws?
    YOU DONT !!!

    this is a very extreemly dangerous time for our nation because all of our government
    is supposed to report to the people – and obviously that hasnt happened in 20 years.. or longer..

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  32. Derek 3 January, 2016, 14:52

    The Constitution is not just about the Hammonds. I am pretty sure people had no problem only buying their tea from the East India trading company. 😉

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  33. waldo 3 January, 2016, 15:21

    If someone was on the ground being assaulted would you stop and ask if they wanted your help? Or would you jump in to try and stop it? Lets be clear, the two Hammonds did not ask for armed help. Why? Maybe one reason was the clear threat they would be taken immediately and put in a “less than desirable prison”. Sounds like a threat to me. How about you?

    From watching/listening to the video above of Stewart, I understand what he is saying. I also agree with part of it. However, if you really understand everything happening with the Hammonds from beginning to now I think you may change your opinion.

    There are so many clear violations of the constitution and their individual rights that it is just plain ridiculous. I want go into them as they are available lots of places.

    My question is this… At what point is enough enough? At what point do we stand up for what is right, just and lawful? When I say “us” I mean all citizens.

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    • Brandon Smith 3 January, 2016, 21:00

      You are overlooking the primary issue: Is this a SMART way to enter a fight with the Feds? Does this situation give the Liberty Movement solid footing? Anyone with any strategic sense can see that the Bundy plan is ill-conceived and poorly executed. It could have been handled better.

      Instead of giving us a Lexington or Concord they have created a Fort Sumter, conveniently on the eve of potential gun control measures by the Obama Administration. It’s a stupid plan with far reaching consequences. You have to choose the ground you will fight on wisely. They have not.

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  34. Will 3 January, 2016, 20:55

    Right or Wrong should always be our compass. Truth and justification should always be on our side.

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  35. Concerned Mother 3 January, 2016, 22:19

    Ya’ll can come protect my house when CPS shows up at my door to take my child away to do chemo and radiation on her that doesn’t give her quality of life or even much of a chance of more quantity of life. We already tried chemo and it failed rather quickly. I’m worried they will not let us have a choice this time. There is too much money to be made off our child. I just want her to live what life God has for her without being medically raped. Do you believe in freedom enough to stand up for a family of a child with cancer?

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  36. sixpack 3 January, 2016, 22:25

    This Hammond situation is a preview of what is to come for the rest of the country. What I mean is, in this situation the residents are all linked to the aggressors and do not want to confront the aggressors for that reason.

    Now consider the number of immigrants coming into our country. Where they came from, these things are common place. They see it as being acceptable. I have to wonder if at some point, there will not be enough people who are familiar with a taste of freedom, to resist the growing tyranny.

    My fear is that THAT will be the new normal…and the rest of us might have to live with it.

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  37. JP 3 January, 2016, 22:35

    Wow, how can the “Oath Keepers” get this so wrong? It’s not about the Hammonds.

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  38. NeoVictorian 4 January, 2016, 14:28

    Optimally, the best outcome for them at this point is for someone outside of the government possessing some gravitas approaches them with a deal from the Oregon AG that anyone who walks out of there other than the instigators (Bundy’s, etc) wont be slapped with felony charges.

    Not a hardcore lawyer, but the short list is Trespassing, building was locked so Breaking and Entering, any damage adds Vandalism.. not sure on whether or not Oregon has laws on the books increasing the severity of a crime if armed while committing it.

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  39. Recondo74 4 January, 2016, 16:36

    Let it go no one has drawn first blood.

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  40. Joe 4 January, 2016, 18:45

    After watching the video, the Hammonds aren’t getting an armed confrontation? The group of patriots are making their own stand against government corruption on government ground? Perhaps motivated my the Hammond Family situation…but I don’t see it as being a Hammond Family situation. It’s a situation of patriots protesting government actions. The weapons, since they haven’t threatened anybody directly, are obviously for their own protection. If the purpose of the Oath keepers is to protect citizens, wouldn’t a call to action we warranted in regards to protecting future rights and freedoms today? That’s my viewpoint or its a question?

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  41. Joker 4 January, 2016, 21:13

    Wrong leader,wrong fight,wrong time.

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  42. Billy Z 4 January, 2016, 22:17

    This is beyond the Hammond Family. It’s not about them alone; it’s about what was done to them as citizens… as part of “We The People”. This assault on the Hammonds was carried out against other families who have now been forgotten but not by all.

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  43. IndieAnnaJones 4 January, 2016, 23:25

    Can anyone tell me what is being done to financially support the Hammond family while their two main breadwinners are incarcerated? I understand that there have been some volunteers who have offered to help run the ranch, but is it correct to say that since the $200K in federal fines was not paid on 12/31/15 that the ranch now must be sold? While some of your argue about the best way to start a revolution (and I have my own thoughts on the matter) the most immediate need is for liberty lovers to step in and help the family stay afloat so this doesn’t absolutely destroy them forever. Where do I give?

    Thank you,
    Indie

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  44. Smitty 5 January, 2016, 07:23

    I think that Stewart hit the nail on the head with this article. This is a discussion that needs to happen within the liberty community. I’ll be called a coward for pointing out some very relevant things, but that doesn’t bother me.

    Look, Ryan Payne and Ammon Bundy don’t represent me. I consider myself someone whom when the perfect storm of events happens will pick up a rifle and fight for my family, my home, my town, my neighbors.

    However, sooooo much has to happen for that scenerio to be put into place. I have a good job, a good family life, and overall, a good quality of life. You cannot just ask people to throw everything away to support this cause.

    Stewart understands this “everything to lose” mentality, and in my opinion, the whole liberty community would be better served operating from this principle.

    For example, many have railed against the tyranny in Boston after the Marathon Bombing. I get it. Those SWAT teams grossly overstepped their boundaries. But looking back, what good would have been served to confront them in an armed conflict? At the end of the day, other than being inconvenienced, was that scenerio worth dying over?

    We need this community to lead with a moderate voice. We all understand that things are very wrong in this country. We understand that our Constitutional Republic has been usurped from within. We understand that the powers that be are slowly and incrementally attacking our God given rights, and replacing them with rights deemed by the state. We all understand that this, amongst many other things is the reason for many historic wars on our own soil.

    Now, let’s talk about how to avoid this “jumping off point”. This entity that we face is criminal in nature, and has no conscience. They are powerful, and well funded. They’ve been doing this for a very long time. They can be defeated, but that process will be long and atrocious. Millions of us will die. Generations will be affected. Heck, Europe is still feelng the affects of 2 world wars on their soil. A second American Civil War would be equally or more devastating.

    So, let us proceed with this frame of mind. Let’s not be pushed by militaristic agitators. When the time comes, let our leaders be elders whom understand that everyone will lose everything, but that the nation as a whole cannot survive without patriotic action. From where I sit, we are far from that point. It’s approaching, but we’re not there yet.

    Beware of those in the community who have a “fight first” mentality. They are either fools, or have nothing to lose. Either one of those people will get you killed.

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  45. PJSolarz 5 January, 2016, 11:31

    Mighty long winded article that skipped over the fact that the reason the Hammonds don’t support this stand-off any longer is due to duress. The Fed’s have threatened them with the total loss of everything if they continue to work with the Bundy bunch. Don’t forget, the Hammond family welcomed the Bundy boys and met with them over 20 times before the fed’s put the squeeze on them.

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    • Brandon Smith 5 January, 2016, 12:14

      It’s long because there is a lot of information to cover. We certainly cannot account for people’s short attention spans.

      Beyond that, your argument is irrelevant to the bigger issue, which is that the Bundy response makes no sense and solves nothing for the Hammonds or anyone else. Perhaps they should have come up with a better plan.

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      • IndieAnnaJones 5 January, 2016, 13:53

        Brandon, I posted above but haven’t heard from anyone at Oath Keepers. Can you tell me what is being done to financially support the Hammond family while their two main breadwinners are incarcerated? I understand that there have been some volunteers who have offered to help run the ranch, but is it correct to say that since the $200K in federal fines was not paid on 12/31/15 that the ranch now must be sold? It seems the most immediate need is for liberty lovers to step in and help the family stay afloat so this doesn’t absolutely destroy them forever. Where do I give?

        Thank you,
        Indie

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  46. CEEBEE 8 January, 2016, 15:02

    The Oregon siege may not fit Oathkeepers vision, may not have been the best approach, but has happened people. It’s undeniable. The freedom cause is now happening. Oathkeepers has not been a positive part so far. Oathkeepers may soon be passed by. It’s time to stand up peacefully for freedom while carrying arms. It’s time to move on if Oathkeepers is not going to be willing to stand between opposing forces and save lives while endorsing freedoms. If Oathkeepers does not stand and stand quickly, they will become just another irrelevant membership like the NRA has become. GO IDAHO 3%’ers. GO OREGON 3%’ers. These patriots are standing. Where is Oathkeepers? Still arguing the Hammonds did not want help. Wake up the Hammonds had a gun to their head if they had accepted the help and they did not comply with the district attorney’s threats. Mr Hammond Sr. would have to do hard time in prison if they had accepted the offers for assistance. Wake up folk. If Oathkeepers does not stand we have to peacefully stand with our sidearms to maintain the peace for everyone including the FEDS. We don’t want anyone hurt except those possibly guilty of treason to be tried in a court of law.

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  47. Paul Fishman 14 January, 2016, 07:26

    The satanic BLM has not only the purpose to destroy the cattle and the property BUT also to assassinate the whole family WITHOUT a trial or any court dispute. The government believes their ranch belongs to them and the family deserves to die without acknowledging their human rights.

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